Should you take the “Jesus Radicals” with a pinch of salt?

Please read this comment from a prominent Jesus Radicals member before proceeding with the whole article. Jesus Radicals were unaware of Fleming’s activities with Tobin and Piper.

Here it is reproduced in full:


I am one of the main people behind the Jesus Radicals website. We do not promote, teach, endorse or in any way link up with the ideas of holocaust deniers or anti-Semitism. You are absolutely correct to point out the influence of Jacques Ellul, whose writings continue to inspire many of us. John Howard Yoder is also a major influence. His book, The Christian/Jewish Schism Revisited, which laments the early split between Jewish Christians and other Jews, is another influence.

I was not involved in organizing the 2009 conference, but I am certain that the organizers were not aware of the things you pointed out about Eileen Fleming. From what I saw of her there, she did not say anything that denied the Holocaust, but her presentation was not well received and seemed to lack the sensitivity required to talk about race, ethnicity and class. She is not really an anarchist to be honest.

Here’s the original post; my concern about Fleming is expressed in the last four paragraphs.

Barthsnotes has a post providing more information about recent events at Gloucester Cathedral. As well as discussing Israeli preacher David Silver’s religious views, as does a commenter, Bartholomew also highlights that Hebden holds to Christian anarchist beliefs.

Keith Hebden is the editor of the Christian anarchist blog A Pinch of Salt. Hebden himself interestingly links to the story reported on This is Gloucester of his arrest and subsequent release without charge. Just as I was thinking that it seems rather odd to draw attention to ones’ own arrest without providing any further comment, I read a bizarre sentence on his blog in reaction to the arrest of CPT activists in Sweden.

Hebden wrote:

Whatever we do in the courtroom, or upon arrest, we are generating stories – like the prophets – that go beyond the actions we perform and take on a life of their own.

Whilst I’m of the opinion that getting arrested in order to generate stories is not the best way to get one’s message across, I can accept that this is Hebden’s position. However I wonder whether this affected Hebden’s decision to interrupt the service at Gloucester Cathedral. According to one eye-witness account:

The evening meeting was a worship service held in the actual cathedral (the nave, to be precise) and it was this that Rev Hebden disrupted in the manner described. At the point he made his protest, David Silver hadn’t even been invited to take the platform!

One also wonders whether Hebden’s calls for a boycott of Israel had anything to do with his opposition to Silver, an Israeli pastor, being allowed to preach in the Gloucester Cathedral. Hebden promotes this image on his blog and on his facebook profile:


For those unaware of the UK Jesus Radicals, Hebden’s religious and political views are of notable interest. Hebden has previously suggested that ‘Perhaps, in Britain, the Christian symbol of the cross should be replaced by the splintered skull. Why not, if the MPs insist on reminding us daily of their privileged use of the skull-smasher?’ Hebden has also cited recent protests and violence in Nepal as evidence that ‘There’s no such thing as a complete revolution, a utopian end-point.’

Keith Hebden’s Pinch of Salt blog has published an article by blog contributor “AdR”, accusing Israelis of ‘blackmailing’ the pope over his Nazi background, whilst drawing attention to Israeli gas companies whose global bodies profited from selling gas for gas chambers to the Nazis. This appears to me an unfair and insensitive reaction to the Israeli complaints about the Pope’s words over the Holocaust. 

Hebden himself has described the story of two women who broke into a politician’s home as ‘beautiful’, as the politician had excessive expense claims. Hebden commented:

“So why aren’t Christians doing this kind of thing? Some are but few; most of us are just looking on in awe and a certain amount of trepidation.”

Aside from the Pinch of Salt blog, Hebden is involved in the Jesus Radicals movement. Ekklesia identifies Hebden as a spokesperson of the UK branch of Jesus Radicals. Whilst the Jesus Radicals claim to be Christian anarchists following in the footsteps of Jacques Ellul, a Christian anarchist theologian and French resistance fighter, there is perhaps more here than meets the eye.

Interestingly the USA branch of Jesus Radicals hosted a conference last month in August 2009, where Eileen Fleming was invited to speak. Fleming was banned from the Daily Kos website for antisemitism. However, the Jesus Radicals‘ promotion of Eileen Fleming seems to jar with the Jesus Radicals’ interest  in Ellul and his theology, given that Ellul was awarded the title Righteous Amongst the Nations for his efforts to save Jews during World War II.

Fleming, on the other hand, has marched alongside Holocaust deniers (warning: link takes you to Far Right website of former KKK leader David Duke) Fred Tobin and Michael Collins Piper in Washington:

Perhaps though, the Jesus Radicals were unaware of Fleming’s involvement with the Far Right. Nevertheless, it certainly appears insensitive of the Jesus Radicals to the legacy of Jacques Ellul. Then again, perhaps Christian anarchist theology is moving away from Ellul?

For those new to Christian anarchist theology, Hebden provides this ‘primer’ to Christian anarchism on the UK Jesus Radicals website.



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38 responses to “Should you take the “Jesus Radicals” with a pinch of salt?

  1. Aslan

    A bit strange for a vicar to defile an act of worship in his own Cathedral! Would he have had the courage to do it in a Mosque, Synagogue or Sikh Temple. Floppy vicar and floppy anarchist methinks.

  2. Hi,

    I am one of the main people behind the Jesus Radicals website. We do not promote, teach, endorse or in any way link up with the ideas of holocaust deniers or anti-Semitism. You are absolutely correct to point out the influence of Jacques Ellul, whose writings continue to inspire many of us. John Howard Yoder is also a major influence. His book, The Christian/Jewish Schism Revisited, which laments the early split between Jewish Christians and other Jews, is another influence.

    I was not involved in organizing the 2009 conference, but I am certain that the organizers were not aware of the things you pointed out about Eileen Fleming. From what I saw of her there, she did not say anything that denied the Holocaust, but her presentation was not well received and seemed to lack the sensitivity required to talk about race, ethnicity and class. She is not really an anarchist to be honest.

  3. seismicshock

    Right-o, let me amend this post then.

  4. Thanks to a goggle alert for ‘eileen fleming’ I read you are blowing IDIOT WIND again!

    What happened on October 13, 2007 in California and “It’s NOT over ’till the fat lady sings”-and it certainly was published HERE on October 16, 2007

    RE: The Jesus Radical Anarchists- we were NOT on the same page at all as my Jesus was and is VERY political!

    The attendees were disengaged from all political activism and wanted to go backwards to primitive times-but the Holy Spirit only leads forward!

    2,000 years ago the cross was NOT a piece of jewelry or a religious icon!

    When Jesus said “Pick up your cross and follow me” EVERYONE understood he was issuing a POLITICAL statement for the cross was the Roman Empire’s method of ridding itself of agitators and dissidents!

    Jesus was never a Christian; the term ‘Christian’ was not even coined until the days of Paul, about 3 decades after Jesus walked the earth as a man.

    Jesus was a social justice, radical revolutionary Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up and challenged the job security of the Temple authorities by teaching the people they did NOT need to pay the priests for ritual baths or sacrificing livestock to be OK with God; for God already LOVED them just as they were: sinners, poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Military Occupation.

    What got Jesus crucified was disturbing the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces of his time, by teaching the subversive concept that Caesar only had power because God allowed it and that God preferred the humble sinner, the poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Occupation above the elite and arrogant.

    The early followers and lovers of Jesus were called members of THE WAY-being THE WAY he taught one should be; Nonviolent, a Peacemaker and one who did the will of the Father. “What does God require? He has told you o’man! Be just, be merciful, and walk humbly with your Lord.” -Micah 6:8

    About 2,000 years ago, when Christ was about 33, he hiked up a hill and sat down under an olive tree and began to teach the people;

    “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven.”

    In other words: it is those who know their own spiritual poverty, their own limitations and sins honestly and trust God loves them in spite of themselves who already live in the Kingdom of God.
    How comforted we will all be, when we see, we haven’t got a clue, as to the depth and breadth of pure love and mercy of The Divine Mystery of The Universe.

    God’s name in ancient Aramaic is Abba which means Daddy as much as Mommy and He/She: The Lord has said, “My ways are not your ways. My thoughts are not yours.” -Isaiah 55:8

    Christ proclaimed more: “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.”

    The essence of meek is to be patient with ignorance, slow to anger and never hold a grudge. In other words: how comforted you will be when you also know humility; when you know yourself, the good and the bad, for both cut through every human heart.

    “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, they will be filled.”

    In other words: how comforted you will be when your greatest desire is to do what “God requires, and he has already told you what that is; BE JUST, BE MERCIFUL and walk humbly with your Lord.”-Micah 6:8

    “Blessed are the merciful, they will be shown mercy.”

    In other words: how comforted you will all be when you choose to return only kindness to your ‘enemy.’

    “For with the measure you measure against another, it will be measured back to you.”

    Christ warns his disciples as he explains the law of karma in Luke 6:27-38.

    “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they see God.”

    In other words: how comforted you will be when you WAKE UP and see God is already within you, within every man, every woman and every child. The Supreme Being is everywhere, the Alpha and Omega, beginning and end. Beyond The Universe -and yet so small; within the heart of every atom.

    “Blessed are The Peacemakers: THEY are the daughters and sons of God.”

    NOT those that slander, bomb, torture or occupy others.

    Eileen Fleming, Founder of
    A Feature Correspondent for The Palestine Telegraph and
    Author “Keep Hope Alive” and “Memoirs of a Nice Irish American ‘Girl’s’ Life in Occupied Territory”
    I produced “30 Minutes With Vanunu” and “13 Minutes with Vanunu” because corporate media has been MIA all during Vanunu’s Freedom of Speech Trial in Israel.

  5. My two last comments have not shown.

    Must I now write an article about being censored by Seismic Shock?

    • Interesting how that when through!

      What did NOT is posted on the FRONT PAGE of

      Just above:


      In 1998 I began to practice The Presence of God as laid out in a book by Brother Lawrence, a monk of the 17th century.


      Eileen Fleming is NOT on Facebook since she was Deactivated

      MY CENSORSHIP from the Democratic Underground:

      MY BANNING from the DAILY KOS: It Sure Smells Like a Right Wing Zionist Cabal at The Daily Kos

      It also smells at SEISMIC SHOCK.

      As the Israeli Occupying Forces say at the 600+ checkpoints “Have a nice day.”

  6. To be clear…Zionism is not what we are about defending either mate. If Zionism and the state of Israel must be supported unconditionally to avoid the label “anti-Semite” from you, then we cannot avoid it but protest your use of the term. If however, you allow that nobody should be immune, no state, no religion, no people, from the criticism of oppression when and where it happens, then we are at least agreed on that much. Can you admit oppression on the part of Israel against Palestinians while still criticizing Palestinians where they become aggressively militant as well? Can’t both sides take things to extremes that needlessly prolong conflict and war? The stronger side in that conflict is clearly Israel, and so they will more than likely receive more of the pings from those of us on the anti-statist left (all states come under that). That does not mean a blanket endorsement of anything done by Palestinians, or by that nutty president in Iran or whatever.

    One of the sites that you link to endorses the idea that Obama is like Hitler. That is absolutely ridiculous, no Jew should endorse that and the Anti-Defamation League has already came out against that kind of language regarding Obama.

    Regarding Eileen Fleming, it is very problematic for her to have been alongside some Holocaust deniers. She may or may not have known whom she was alongside. If she did. It was a stupid thing to do. If she did not, she needs to be more careful whom she associates with. Obviously, we can all be near people and not know their views and motives. A pro-Zionist Jewish protester might walk alongside the craziest Christian right-winger, whose views are actually anti-Semitic and only promote Zionism for their own sick purposes of Christian apocalypticism, and not really know it. That does not mean they endorse each other. I don’t know what she posted on Daily Kos, a site I read at times. Eileen might be confused about what anarchism is, a separate question, and she has a long way to go in her journey, but I do not in any way think it is anti-Semitic to point out the Israeli military’s killing and oppressing of people, anymore than it is anti-Muslim to point out that Saudi Arabia oppresses its own people or that Iran’s president is a anti-Semitic lunatic.

    It does a disservice to you to deny when things go this route. If you really want to support the state of Israel, why not work as hard as you can to push them to seek peace? Is it really unthinkable? Can’t the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bring that about without military might? Weren’t even the holy wars of the Old Testament not testaments to Israel’s military acumen, but to God’s ability to do it and for Israel to stand back and watch? If God could do it then, God can do it now. Israel could indeed be a light to the nations, but not if it stocks up nuclear weapons like the Gentiles; not when it imitates the nation-state building and its idolatry. There is a difference between the state of Israel and Jewish people, just as there is a difference between the U.S. government and the people who live in this territory. I do hope we can agree on that at least. This is not a post meant to attack your integrity or sincerity. It is meant to ask whether any state, any religion, any person is really worth unconditional support no matter what they do. I denounce without hesitation Christians who have forced Jews to convert to Christianity. That part of our past is shameful and just a betrayal of Christ. Can you do the same on your side? I ask as a genuine question to figure out where you are coming from.

  7. I can only comment briefly. Thinks are hectic at home at the moment as we are expecting a baby (yesterday!). Of my many objections to the speaker at the Cathedral one is his anti-Jewish theology. Although he is a Messianic Jew and makes crude use of Jewish religious semiotics in worship and raises funding for settlers this is not because of any particular care for Jewish people (although he claims that as one of his motivations). He has suggested in articles on line that the Jews have suffered since the death of Christ because they crucified him – an age old anti-semitic device, he as also warned of “consuming fire” that will come against both Muslims and Jews because of their false religion, that is, not accepting Jesus as Messiah.

    I would not call myself hard-left. I am certainly not pro-hamas since I think any use of violence will only lead to further violence. I consciously chose to wait until the act of worship had finished, or at least paused, before my intervention as a matter of respect. I wasn’t expecting to be set upon but knew I ran the risk of arrest. I wanted the press to know that these people are violent and that Christians were prepared, for once, to stand up to their bullying, patronising rhetoric.

    The situation in the middle-east is one of many I care about, I have demonstrated or intervened over other issues in the past. This particular issue came and sought me out. The ‘Gloucestershire Prayer Walkers’ booked the Cathedral under that name and then advertised an event under the name ‘out of Zion ministries’. I think this was deliberately misleading and chose to take a stand.

    I should have written at the beginning that I thought your research above on me was very well done. If you’re based in the UK I’d love to meet you some time. But the baby needs to arrive safely first.

    Love, peace, and anarchy,


  8. modernityblog

    Most people with the Internet could soon enough find out about Eileen Fleming’s wacky views in about 5 minutes research.

    Pity that Jesus radicals couldn’t do that 😦

  9. donas

    Not speaking for Seismic but……………..Enough of this light of the nations thing please. Israel is a country of pretty normal people, not full of saints. As to standing back and letting God do it, isn’t that inconsistant with anarchism, would all anarchists let God do all the working as we would be in a far better state of being. Good men doing nothing leads to ……..?

    and of course no State should have unconditional support not matter what they do, we are all to be judged by our actions, our REASONABLE ACTIONS , not some high flying godly ideals that apply only to one side, strong or mighty, there is really only one justice and truth and it applies to ALL equally. No one is talking about normal healthly critism here but being fair and honest. And who is saying that the State of Israel is not seeking peace??? You think??

    And as to the vicar who wants so much to be the next Stephen Sizer so got himself arrested as a good PR ploy, tell him to read the New Testament again and again, and be respectful of others worshiping – there is a proper place and time for his fame and his behaviour was very disgraceful. Would he have such behaviour in his church? I think not. Tell him to write his book or get his column and rant all he likes but not in the Church please.

    sorry Seismic, these posts are so ill informed I get a so annoyned just reading the self righteous well meaning nonsense. delete my comment if it is in appropriate

  10. seismicshock

    Andy, I really appreciate your comments about Eileen Fleming, of course I don’t mind people criticising Israel, seriously go ahead. You’re always gonna get some nutty fellow-travellers I appreciate that. I’m completely cynical about Israel’s government don’t get me wrong, but my blog isn’t about that but more concerned with Christian antisemitism. When this story came out that an Israeli preacher was interrupted in a church by a boycotter I was naturally interested. But to be honest you and Keith sound like pretty nice chaps.

    I think you’re right: as a true anarchist you really should be opposed to Zionism, pan-Arabism, Islamism, Europeanism, globalisation, i.e. every single nationalist movement.

    I don’t believe in boycotting Israel for many reasons, one of which for you guys would mean not being able to link up with anarchists in Israel. Also boycotting Israel assumes that we should use capitalism for political aims, which should be anathema to you guys. I appreciate you haven’t said that, but Keith has and he’s your UK rep. In any case I’m new to you guys but I’m trying to work out your position.

    In a way though it’s kind of reassuring that you don’t all agree with each other or even yourselves – true anarchy has to be anarchic!

    What site do you think endorses Obama as Hitler? I must have missed that one, but in any case I think it’s a stupid analogy which only serves to water down true Holocaust memorial.

    • Ian M

      In my view, antisemitism is what was behind Rev Keith Hebden’s behaviour.

      The question he was trying to put when he disrupted the service in Gloucester cathedral was basically a complaint against the Israeli army. He was singling out Israel for criticism in way that wouldn’t be done of other countries, including our own.

    • It’s time for you to understand the bigger picture guys – me thinks!
      Who’s behind the ILLUMINATI…and we suggest you read & watch these sites!!! Then your get a understanding on what’s really going on…

      1: The Obama Deception by Alex Jones

      2: Texe Marrs (over 25 years of exposing stuff..) has another inside track video/DVD about “Obama as Hitler” situ – view

  11. seismicshock

    Keith, mazel tov about the baby! Hope he/she arrives safely. Do let us know when the baby’s arrived.

    I would love to meet you too but must keep my identity secret as another Anglican vicar is out to get me. To be honest, it’s quite refreshing blogging about a vicar who got arrested rather than a vicar trying to get me arrested for blogging!

    Like I said you and Andy seem like pretty nice chaps, you’ve taken this pretty well. I can understand you being disturbed or opposed to Silver’s views, and I guess getting arrested is quite headline-grabbing and thrilling for an anarchist, but I mean perhaps there was a less-contentious way to sort all this out. I thought Anglican vicars like sitting down and having nice cups of tea with people!

    Okay, let me put this argument to you as an anarchist: doesn’t boycotting Israel assumes that we should use capitalism for political aims? Isn’t it saying that if we get rid of Israel from capitalism then capitalism will be ‘clean’, whereas true anarchists are opposed to the entire capitalist system?

  12. I waited 1 1/2 hours for you to post my comment. As you chose to censor me I have kicked the dust off my feet and moved on:

    Message to ‘Seisimic Shock’ and PS: I have only just begun!

    READ it here:

    September 19, 2009:

    And now I will send it to my many publishers with ecstatic GRATITUDE that this issue has been resurrected!

    I leave you with the same refrain the Israeli OCCUPYING Forces tell USA citizens at the 600+ checkpoints:

    “Have a nice day!”

    • seismicshock

      Eileen – you rightly talk about the vanity of casting your pearls before swine. So why did you give that speech in front of Holocaust deniers?

      • RE: Comment by seismicshock who wrote:

        “Eileen – you rightly talk about the vanity of casting your pearls before swine. So why did you give that speech in front of Holocaust deniers?”

        MY comment about casting my pearls before swine was INSPIRED by Andy’s “she has a long way to go in her journey”

        Andy is clueless as to my journey-he has never read anything I have written and my intuition at that conference told me I was JUDGED because I did NOT look like the anarchists in attendance!

        I do not have tattoos, I bathe every daily, wear make up and do not get my clothes out of dumpsters-so I believe Andy ASSumed I “lack the sensitivity required to talk about race, ethnicity and class”

        He is clueless as to my history!

        A short excerpt from my second book-Chapter 1:

        So, What’s a Nice Irish American Girl Like Me Doing in Occupied Territory?

        …I was raised in a Catholic family, but gave up on the Institution in the summer of 1964. I never doubted there was a God, but at the tender age of ten, I decided to find my own way and listen to my heart to lead me to the truth and light. But, at the age of twenty-seven, from the pit of hell I had created, I cried out “HELP!” There are no words to describe the overwhelming sense of connection I felt to the Mystery we call God, but I knew in my gut, that He/She understood me and loved me just as I was. That moment also was the beginning of my journey and desire to discover what exactly I was created for.

        At the time I was working as a visiting nurse in the ghettos of Orlando, Florida, and in the shacks and squalor is where I learned about Jesus.

        While treating the wounds of the poor and the outcast I learned that gratitude was the ultimate expression of love.

        The poorest of the poor, who were grateful for my smallest kindness, verbally expressed it, by their constant refrain, “Thank you, Jesus!”

        I explored every denomination Central Florida had to offer, but I never was a Pentecostal or Episcopalian; although I attended both churches as I searched for a home in the institutional church.

        It was not until I broke bread with the Christians in Palestine, did I experience a visceral sense of belonging.

        This book is dedicated to them with the hope that their Exodus from the Holy land will soon end.

  13. modernityblog

    Just skim read Flemming’s “reply” and I can understand why it wasn’t posted here: it is a rant.

    Flemming uses the “some of my best friends…” defence, which is so tired and worn you’d think she’d know better.

    But specifically Flemming doesn’t address the issue of David Duke, Fred Tobin and her good self, and as to what they have in common?

    • The name is Fleming.

      My ‘rant’ will be all over the www soon.

      RE: David Duke, etc.

      “ALL things work for the good for those that LOVE God and are called to his purpose.”-Romans 8:28

      Having had the opportunity to engage with people who I do NOT agree with led to many of them READING me!

      And that reminded me how much JC preferred the company of ‘outcasts’ and ‘sinners’ over the elite and arrogant; they had OPEN minds!

  14. Good point about sanctions. I lean towards primitivism (in theory if not in practice) so would rather keep things local and for me neither Israel nor Palestine are local. So I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about sanctions but I do see them as a withdrawing co-operation with evil rather than a virtue in themselves. So I guess I view sanctions as a suitable negative action. Does that make sense?

    Thanks for your blessing. Sorry to hear about your trouble with one of my colleagues. If you decide to trust me for an anonymous meeting or your passing through and want to meet some where anonymous…

  15. modernityblog

    So Fleming doesn’t actually deny she was willingly in the company of convicted racists and Holocaust deniers?

    And from her above comments that she did it to drum up support for her material?

    Even amongst active Holocaust deniers and professional antisemites, like David Duke.


  16. God has granted me patience to persist with your blind arrogant ignorance and I am laughing hysterically at the inane comments from ‘modernIDIOTY’

    I never wrote ““some of my best friends…” and what is MOST tiresome and lame and is the anti-Semitic canard that is hurled when ever any dare to expose the INJUSTICES Israel commits!

    And I did NOT research WHO was involved in setting up the conference-but even if I had known-I still would have gone, because I follow Jesus-and he TALKED with anyone!

    And I never judge peoples hearts- that is God’s job-and how do you suppose God can reach the ignorant and wrong headed- unless the ones who do know, love and follow him: GO OUT where they are sent!

    ALL I am concerned about is following my Brother JC as close as I can: I only do what I ‘see’ him doing and he taught me: forgive, pray and LOVE my enemies!

    So, with much gratitude to the Mystery we call God that SS offered me the opportunity to resurrect WHAT I SAID and LEARNED in Oct. 2007 just for going where I was sent, my words are now posted on my site as well as:

    And I am now in process of sending them to my other publishers, and I behoove you brothers to meditate on Romans 8:26:

    “ALL things work for the good for those that LOVE God and are called to his purpose.”-Romans 8:28

    I also thank you for this opportunity to post what I published on October 13, 2007:

    The Plan: two free radicals delivering speeches today…

    Liberation Theology Conference Baylor University

    Preaching to the Choir
    By Keren Batiyov

    I’ve just returned from five weeks in Palestine – doing non-violent action and resistance with International Solidarity Movement in Nablus and monitoring checkpoints with Machsom Watch. This was my second time working with ISM and it had been almost three years since I was last in Palestine. The steady deterioration of Palestinian rights and freedoms is marked and reflects an overall Israeli campaign of humiliation, degradation, starvation, intimidation, harassment, abuse, apartheid, and politicide:

    From the hundreds of miles of Jewish-only roads in the Occupied Palestinian territories, to the 500-700 checkpoints in an area the size of Delaware, to the arrogance of the Israeli soldiers (ex: One Palestinian family, with both American and Palestinian passports (grandparents with their three young grandchildren – all born in the US) were stopped by the soldiers and not allowed to pass -they owned property in Beit Hanina on both sides of the wall and were trying pass from one side to the other. They were detained and not allowed to go forward or to return. The grandmother was diabetic and wanted only to return to her home so she could take her medication but the soldiers refused – they would call and ambulance (which she didn’t want) but they would not allow her to return home. We called the US embassy to get their assistance and while the grandfather was on the phone the soldiers arrested the family – Machsom Watch women tried to get the soldiers to let the grandfather finish speaking with the embassy but one of the soldiers adamantly refused and said: “I own him now. He is my prisoner.”), to the uprooting and burning of olive trees, to the meeting of non-violent action and resistance with tear gas, sound grenades, and beatings, to the insidious permit system designed to not only restrict what Palestinians can do, but to also keep them off-balance by constantly changing the rules (ex: A goat cheese producer from Beit Furik had a permit to transport his cheese to Ramallah.

    On this particular day, he met new soldiers at the checkpoint (they rotate weekly) who refused to let him pass because he had no permit for his car. After some time he found a car with the proper permit which could pass the checkpoint. He reloaded the containers with cheese into the car but again he was stopped. This car has a permit to pass, but only if it was not carrying anything. He looked for another car, one which was allowed to pass loaded, finally finds one, reloaded and went to Nablus. At Huwarrah the Machsom Watch women meet him again – unloading and reloading – because the car he had located was not allowed to pass the next checkpoint – Zaatara – and he had to find one with this special permit); to the illegal settlements, the illegal path of the wall that confiscates yet more land and water, to the imprisonment and torture of thousands of Palestinians, to the detention and murder of children; to the demolition and destruction of lives, homes, livelihoods, hopes, and dreams.

    I could give you countless examples to illustrate each of these and I could talk all day about what I saw and experienced. On the other hand, there is also a feeling that somehow there are words fail in the face of the paradoxes of Palestinian life: despair embroidered with hope, brokenness repaired by resilience, the blue-hot flame of anger at their occupiers tempered by hospitality, quick wit, and spontaneous laughter. If there is hope for justice in this afflicted area, and I must tell you that I hold out none for the short term, it will depend on the faithfulness of those who seek justice, honor, dignity, and humanity for all peoples – the principles of the prophets. And that’s where you figure into the picture and it’s what I want to talk about today.

    A friend who was visiting the States from Pakistan, upon learning that I was coming to this conference and that I would be presenting on this panel asked me how many people felt like I did about justice for the Palestinians. When I noted that we were in the minority but that our numbers were growing, he said to me, “So you’ll just be preaching to the choir.” I’m not sure when, or how, it happened that choirs came to be so disparaged but I hear this refrain again and again, “just preaching to the choir.”

    Historically, choirs have called people to worship. In ancient Hebrew worship, the temple choirs were under the tutelage of skilled musicians – the idea being that song offered to God was a gift and therefore must be of the highest quality. In recent times, choirs have become the voice of the people. As one Presbyterian minister noted, “The voice of the choir is to be taken into the heart and made one’s own expression, very much as the prayer of one who leads the congregation in prayer.” In other words, the choir plays an important and unique role – they serve to inspire, animate, and motivate the congregation. But who inspires, animates, and motivates the choir?

    There is a story in the Hebrew Scriptures about Moses and a battle that took place between the ancient Israelites and Amalek. I don’t particularly like war stories or metaphors, but in this case there is an appropriate civilian lesson to be learned. It seems that as long as Moses held his arms out over the battle, the Israelites prevailed. However when his arms grew tired and he had to put them down to rest, the people of Amalek prevailed. His compatriots, Aaron and Hur, quickly realized that there was no way that Moses could stand with his arms outstretched for hours, maybe days. Another strategy was called for if the battle was to be won, and they indeed found a winning one. First, they seated Moses – they realized that not only were his arms tired, so was his body. Then they sat down, on either side of him and supported his arms until the battle was won.

    When I first moved to the DC area I met with a well-known activist from the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation. I wanted to get a sense of what was going on in the area and where I might be useful. One of the things he shared was the there was a great deal of burnout among activists on the Israel/Palestine issue – people had been working on the issue for years with marginal effect and it had drained them.

    What, you may be asking yourself, does all this have to do with choirs? Or more specifically, how does this concern me? The choir is you; you, and all those who engage in the battle for justice and peace – the small minority that motivates and animates the larger congregation; the ones with tired arms in need of support. And it’s for these reasons that I’ve never thought it a waste of time to preach to the choir. Faithfulness to the call of the prophets, to stand for and with the oppressed, whoever and wherever they are, requires not only a well-informed, well-rehearsed choir but also a choir that ministers to each other, a choir that takes the time to support the arms of tired members.

    There will be no liberation for the oppressed, no liberation theology, no song to sing, if the choir burns out.

    We must continue to educate the choir – it’s their song, the song sung by the minority, your song, that the larger body will hear and respond to. We must support one another in our efforts for justice, holding each other’s arms up, strengthening and encouraging each other. Finally, we must never fall prey to the idea that preaching to the choir is a waste of time – Justice depends on your song.

    Part 2 of that post:

    If all goes as planned, I will be delivering the following this morning at the NO More Wars for Israel Conference in California, but “life is what happens while you are busy making plans” [John Lennon]; so its not over until the fat lady sings;

    I am not here today as Mordechai Vanunu’s spokesperson.

    I am here today- because Vanunu, as with everyone in this room and everyone in the world; all possess inalienable rights, God given rights-such as the right of free thought and the right to speak those thoughts.

    States and nations have obligations. People have rights.

    The year 2008 marks the 60th anniversary of Al Nabka, the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights as well as the statehood of Israel which was contingent upon their honoring inalienable rights such as in Article 13 of the Declaration of Human Rights,

    (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state. (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country, [her homeland.]

    These are rights that states and nations have obligations to uphold.

    American democracy is based on the self evident truth that all people are created equal; all are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights…[and] that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted…and derive their powers from the consent of the governed; and, whenever any form of government becomes unjust and destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people [to rise up and] alter or abolish it. –paraphrase from “The Declaration of Independence”

    I am here today as a global citizen, a patriotic American and Christian of The Beatitudes; AKA: The Sermon on the Mount which is where Jesus promised that it is the Peacemakers who are the children of God.

    NOT those that bomb, torture or occupy any other…

    I am here today to tell you that on April 30, 2007 , in Jerusalem, Vanunu was convicted on 14 [out of 21] counts of violating a court order which denied his inalienable right to speak to foreign journalists in 2004 after his release from 18 years in jail for telling the world the truth that Israel was already nuclear in 1986.

    Vanunu was also convicted for traveling the few miles from Jerusalem to Bethlehem when he hoped to attend Christmas Eve mass at the Church of the Nativity, his first Christmas after being released from 18 years in jail [most of it in solitary] on April 21, 2004.

    Vanunu has spent the last three years under house arrest in Jerusalem forbidden to speak to the likes of me, and in 2006 he told me, “This administration tells me I am not allowed to speak to foreigners, the Media, and the world. But I do because that is how I prove my true humanity.”

    Article 19 of the UN Universal declaration of Human Rights asserts that: “Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.”

    And in that spirit, I videotaped Vanunu in 2005 and 2006 and some of what he says in the “30 Minutes with Vanunu” :

    “The Dimona is 46 years old; reactors last 25 to 30 years. The Dimona has never been inspected and Israel has never signed the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty but all the Arab states have…Twenty years ago when I worked there they only produced when the air was blowing towards Jordan ten miles away. No one knows what is happening now.

    “The Israelis have 200 atomic weapons and they accuse the Palestinians and Muslims of terrorism. The world needs to wake up and see the real terrorism is the occupation and the Palestinians have lived under that terror regime for 40 years…

    “It’s very sad that Hilary Clinton went to the Jewish Wailing Wall and forgot the real crying wall is the Palestinian wall…the apartheid wall… the wall is not for defense, but to keep this conflict permanent…

    “Israel is only a democracy if you are a Jew.”

    I am here today to tell you that on July 2, 2007, Vanunu was sentenced to six more months in jail denied of the inalienable right to speak in the ethnocracy of Israel and that his appeal was filed last month.

    In 2006, American Israeli, Jeff Halper, Founder and Coordinator of Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions and a Noble Peace Prize Nominee for 2006, told me: “Israel is a not a democracy but is an Ethnocracy, meaning a country run and controlled by a national group with some democratic elements but set up with Jews in control and structured to keep them in control.”

    Vanunu was born into an orthodox Jewish family in Marrakech in 1954. When he was 9 years old the Zionists came and promised his family the stars and the moon; the land of milk and honey. Instead, the Vanunu’s were banished to the desert of Beersheba, a place with no Coke or Pepsi and the ice cream was just ice.

    Vanunu attended Yeshiva; the Jewish orthodox boarding school in the Old City where the mosque was empty for Palestinians had been banished from Beersheba.

    He passed all his high school classes except for English and Hebrew studies. At eighteen years old, he had his mind and health checked by the Israeli army doctors and wanted to be a pilot. But he failed the hand-eye coordination test and was assigned to the Engineering Unit, where he learned about land mines, bridges, and explosives.

    Vanunu traveled freely as a soldier, and served in the occupied territories near Bethlehem. In 2005 he told me:”I felt how poor the people were under occupation and how they suffered without reason, except for the reason of injustice. In the 1970s, Israel built many fortresses and spent lots of money on equipment, but nothing on the people who were oppressed and under occupation. I got really mad and upset every time I thought about how much money they wasted, but I kept my mouth shut and kept it all to myself. After a year, I finished my training and was assigned to train more soldiers. For me it was all futility and waste; I saw these children become soldiers and thought, what a complete waste. When the Yom Kippur War broke out, soldiers with less than a month of training got called to go with me to the Jordan Valley. There weren’t enough trained troops, and we were lucky we didn’t see any fighting and got to return to base after three days. After a few months, we all went to Syria and the Golan Heights. When Kissinger coordinated the cease-fire, the Israeli army destroyed the area before leaving there. I was promoted to First Sergeant, and they wanted me to re-up. I said no.

    Vanunu continued, “I began my studies at Tel Aviv University when I was twenty-one and this was the first time I met Palestinians as human beings. I began attending political demonstrations inside the university. I was all about equal human rights and respecting all others. By the time I was twenty-three, I began working at the Dimona. It was suppose to be a textile plant, but I was hired for the control room. At the time, I had no idea what it was in control of.”

    After a year, Vanunu got bored with the routine job at the Dimona but stayed for the steady pay while he studied economics and became involved in university politics and helped establish a group of Palestinian and Jewish students for justice and peace. After six months, he got called in by security at the Dimona, questioned, warned and then threatened with fifteen years in prison if he didn’t stop his pro-Palestinian human rights university activities.

    Vanunu didn’t stop. He graduated with a BA in philosophy and geography, and began to make plans to leave Israel. Because he was a good worker, he was crosstrained in many departments and figured out what was really going on underground in the Negev Valley. Vanunu shot two rolls of film documenting the fact that Israel had gone nuclear, but did not develop them until many months later when he ended up in Sydney, Australia. One day, Vanunu, who for decades had now been a secular Jew and existentialist wandered into a social justice Anglican Church and felt at home. He shared his story of the Dimona with them, and met the church painter who claimed to be a freelance journalist and who wanted to make money on Vanunu’s story.

    Vanunu insisted that all he wanted to do was prevent a nuclear holocaust.

    It was only a few days prior to being abducted by the Mossad, that Vanunu was baptized a Christian. It was not until after his closed door trial and the start of 18 years in jail; that he began to read the New Testament. For a half hour, twice a day, he would recite the entire New Testament and begin all over again when he finished the Book of Revelation.

    Vanunu told me, “I did this for myself, as well as for my captors–not so much the prison guards, but the ones who watched me on camera twenty-four hours a day. Once I covered up the camera that spied on me and was punished with one month in total solitary; no books no radio; there was never any contact with anyone anywhere. It was just them, watching me, constantly watching me. The Shen Beet, you know, like the FBI and the Mossad, like your CIA— they were watching me. They tortured me by keeping a light on in my cell constantly for two years. They told me it was because they were afraid I would commit suicide, and the oppressive camera was for my safety. They recruited the guards and other prisoners to irritate me and deprive me of sleep by making loud noises near my cell all night and all day.

    “I chose to read them 1 Corinthians 13 [4-8] instead:

    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, and it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with THE TRUTH! It always protects, it always trusts, always hopes, and always perseveres. Love never fails.

    I am here today to tell you that for the last three years, Mordecahi Vanunu’s speech and movement have been restricted under the British Mandate Emergency Regulations -a relic from the British Mandate period in Palestine-before the state of Israel was founded and replaced British rule. Nothing like it exists in any democracy in the world. When Vanunu was convicted, he joked, “Perhaps I should turn to the Queen or Tony Blair for justice.”

    I am here today to tell you that for the last 21 years, Vanunu has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. This year he was nominated by Bishop Desmond Tutu, who in 1984 received the Nobel for his courageous and fearless opposition against the South African apartheid system.

    I am here today to remind the world of what Israel promised in 1948:

    On the day of the termination of the British mandate and on the strength of the United Nations General Assembly declare The State of Israel will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel: it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion it will guarantee freedom of religion [and] conscience and will be faithful to the Charter of the United Nations.” – May 14, 1948. The Declaration of the establishment of Israel

    I am here today with hope and a prayer that Israel and America will hear the prophets of Israel, such as Micah who reminded the people of what God requires.

    “He has told you o’man! Be just, be merciful, and walk humbly with your Lord.”

    I am here today to say Happy Eid and happy 53rd birthday to Vanunu.



    Payable to: Trust For Mordechai Vanunu

    Account Number: 8785737S1

    Mail to:
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    8499 Tamarack Road
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    Everywhere else in the world please donate through his Pay Pal @

    PS-not much $$$ was raised-but a lot of interest was!

  17. NOW we are getting somewhere!

    Look, i never wanted to fight you, but i cannot ever back down when I am being treated unjustly.

    Nor will I ever shut up seeking JUSTICE for any i see being treated unjustly.

    I am not ‘legally’ Jewish but my grandfather was a Polish Jew who died before I could learn how many of my relatives were gassed and fried because good people did nothing for too very long.

    I do believe we were ALL made good but that evil also cuts through every human heart.

    All things are possible and it is VERY probable that you and i can work together as a sister and brother in JC and move on from here.

    How about you consider we collaborate on an article re: the Anti-Christ, Zionism or what ever you like?

    i gotta go-my back is all tense from pounding out my heart on this keyboard and it is past my time for a swim!


  18. modernityblog

    So I think that the Jesus Radicals can see what type of person Fleming is?

    She is unashamed of associating with Holocaust deniers and the convicted ex-Grand Wizard of the KKK, David Duke.

  19. Peter Koroly

    eileen, nobody cares if you are legally or illegally a Jew.
    You should go and swim a lot more than you do.
    It is better than marching with Holocaust-Deniers.

  20. Dooley

    Eileen Fleming is quite clearly completely nuts

  21. THANK YOU Dooley,

    THAT is exactly what Jesus’ family said about him!

    What I am is OVER your head and beyond your cold heart.

    21st Century Letter to the Churches

    “Christ, you know it ain’t easy You know how hard it can be The way things are going They’re gonna crucify me”-John Lennon

    The Editor-in-Chief of SOJOURNERS Magazine, the Evangelical Jim Wallis has released a new book, The Great Awakening, written with hope to wake up American institutionalized Christians to be a part of the rebirth and renewal to heal, mend and transform “the biblical scandal of poverty around the globe and here at home, the crisis of environmental degradation and climate change that pose a threat to God’s creation, and to the multiple assaults on human life and dignity that shame our world.” [Page 12, Feb. 2008, SOJOURNERS]

    Jim’s seeking revival, but this non-institutional Christian of The Beatitudes, is calling for a revolution and it begins with common sense and goes retro; back to the voices of wisdom that founded this nation.

    “Soon after I had published the pamphlet “Common Sense” [on Feb. 14, 1776] in America, I saw the exceeding probability that a revolution in the system of government would be followed by a revolution in the system of religion… The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.”-Tom Paine

    Wallis proposes Seven Principals and Rules of Engagement for Christian political involvement in the world:

    1. God hates injustice.
    2. The kingdom of God is a new order.
    3. The church is an alternative community.
    4. The kingdom of God transforms the world by addressing the specifics of injustice.
    5. The church is the conscience of the state, holding it accountable for upholding justice and restraining its violence.
    6. Take a global perspective.
    7. Seek the common good.

    All seven points are well and good and I wish Jim luck and pray he does indeed arouse the sleeping Christians for the western institutions have failed at its commission. Too many churches in the USA have become places to socialize and be entertained and to be patted on the back just for doing the minimum of what is required if one claims to be a Christian; and churches have become big business’s that maintain the status quo and not so much about the social gospel.

    The gospel-which means good news, that Jesus preached, was very political and a direct challenge to the politically powerful and the arrogant, self-satisfied, self-righteous teachers of the law.

    Two thousand years ago the Cross had NO symbolic religious meaning and was not a piece of jewelry. When Jesus said: “Pick up your cross and follow me,” everyone back then understood he was issuing a POLITICAL statement, for the main roads in Jerusalem were lined with crucified agitators, rebels, dissidents and any others who disturbed the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces.

    In the latter days of Nero’s reign [54-68 A.S.] through the domination of Domitian [ 81-96] Christians were persecuted for following the nonviolent, loving and forgiving Jesus. That Jesus was first left behind when Augustine penned the Just War Theory.

    Before Emperor Constantine brought Christianity into the mainstream, all the early Church Fathers taught that Christians should not serve in the army but instead willingly suffer rather than inflict harm on any other. St. Augustine was the first Church Father to consider the concept of a Just War and within 100 years after Constantine, the Empire required that all soldiers in the army must be baptized Christians and thus, the decline of Christianity began in earnest.

    With the justification of war and violence supplied by Augustine’s Just War Theory, wrong became right. Nothing much has changed in two millennia, for in today’s Orwellian world politicians claim the way to peace is through war and that nuclear weapons provide protection. American money claims ‘In God we Trust’ but the truth is America’s faith is in an out of control Military Industrial Complex that seeks domination, power and control over any who would defy and challenge the American status quo. Eisenhower warned America not to bind our economy to the Industrial Military Complex and like most prophets, he was ignored.

    In 313 AD, Emperor Constantine legitimized Christianity and thus, those who had been considered rebels and outlaws began to enjoy political power and prestige. Jesus’ other name is The Prince of Peace, and with the marriage of church and state, his true teachings were reinterpreted. The justification of warfare and the use of state sponsored violence corrupted what Christ modeled and taught. Jesus was always on about WAKE UP! The Divine already indwells you and all others. Christ taught that to follow him requires that one must love ones enemies; one must forgive those who hate, curse and revile them, without even a thought of payback.

    Christ lived a life that proved evil can be opposed without being mirrored, and that the cycle of a “tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye”, will never bring peace and justice. Before Emperor Constantine brought Christianity into the mainstream, all the early Church Fathers taught –and all Christians never served in the army but instead willingly suffered rather than inflict harm on any other.

    The term Christianity was not coined until three decades after Christ walked the earth. Until the day of Paul, followers of Christ were called members of The Way; the way being what he taught!

    Christ was never a Christian, but he was a social justice, radical revolutionary Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up [intifada in Arabic] for he challenged the job security of the Temple authorities by teaching the people they did NOT need to pay the priests for ritual baths or sacrificing livestock to be OK with God; for God already LOVED them just as they were: sinners, poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Military Occupation.

    What got Jesus crucified was disturbing the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces of his time, by teaching the subversive concept that Caesar only had power because God allowed it and that God preferred the humble sinner, the poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Occupation above the elite and arrogant!

    Clement, Tertillian, Polycarp and every other early Church Father taught that violence was a contradiction of what Christ was all about. There have always been those Christians who spoke out against this corruption of scripture and they have been ignored, reviled, rejected, mocked, persecuted and maligned throughout time. There have always been Christians who have never abandoned the true teachings, such as the Quakers, Mennonites, some Catholics and Protestants who have been faithful witnesses to Christ by denouncing violence and caring for the poor. There have also always been Jews, Muslims, atheists, anarchists, secularists, rebels and revolutionaries who have lived lives that embody the message of Christ; who have in fact done what he actually said, which was most revolutionary.

    Christ, you know it ain’t easy
    You know how hard it can be
    The way things are going
    They’re gonna crucify me-John Lennon

    The institutionalized Christians may crucify me for claiming that many who attend 21st century American churches have re-crucified and maligned Jesus, for they worship an institution and pages in the Bible. All institutions are man made and the Bible was not FAXED in from heaven, it was written down after centuries of the oral history being passed down. When ever stories are retold, they change, and we all know this if we ever played the childhood game of telephone. Scribes were imperfect human who made many mistakes as they recopied texts; many also added their own point of view and some even left out what they chose to.

    The most decisive event in the history of Christendom occurred when Emperor Constantine accepted the Christian faith, for those who had once been persecuted were now protected by an earthly king. Both a patriarchal monarchical state and church were formed at the same time. Power struggles and debates were common among the early Christians. Individual churches determined which texts were read, and they all had their favorites. Constantine sought to unite his empire, and uniting the church was a savvy political move. He announced he would pay for fifty illuminated copies of scripture to be bound, and thus the biblical canon was established and sealed. There was fierce debate among the bishops about what should be included and what left out.

    The proto-orthodox, who had now become the dominant voice, determined what was heretical for everyone. The proto-orthodox demanded much-loved scripture to be burned, usually because it did not fit their understanding of God. We know more today about how diverse Christianity had once been with the discovery of the Nag´ Hammâdi Library. [Refer to Part One is this series for more information]

    I may get crucified for this, but I contend that there is a cult within The Body of Christ in the USA that worships the institution and pages in the Bible, and it is a cult of the dead.

    Just because the canon was sealed, does not mean that God stopped talking to his creation and we can all hear Him/She/? in the voice of our own conscience, as well as in the voices of open vessels such as poets, musicians, critics, dissidents and rebels throughout history.

    Just because I no longer do church, I am still connected to the mystical Body of Christ and the most rigid of fundamentalists are my sisters and brothers.

    St. Paul, who never failed to express his freedom of speech, warned the followers of Christ, NOT to judge the unbeliever but to provoke the believer onto good works.

    My hope and prayer is to mend, heal and repair the flabby Body of Christ in the west by reconnecting it to its very roots in the land where Jesus walked and taught that it is the peacemakers who are the children of God; not those that starve, bomb, torture or occupy others.

    The Christian EXODUS from the Holy land-which is in pieces; Bantustans, has rendered their numbers from 20% of the total to less than 1.3% since 1948, and it is NOT because of Islam, but because of a brutal, inhumane military occupation which denies them human rights and ignores international law aided and abetted by the American government and its citizens hard earned tax dollars.

    Every individual Christian is but one cell in the cosmic Body of Christ. “So in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.” -Romans 12:4

    “Its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part [of The Body] suffers, every part suffers with it.”-1 Corinthians 12:25-26

    The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and all the prophets said, “You will recognize the believers in their having Mercy for one another, and in their Love for one another, and in their Kindness towards one another; like the body, when one member of it hurts, the entire body hurts.”

    John Lennon penned The Wedding Ballad Of John & Yoko a few weeks after their 1969 marriage and then held a bed-in for peace to awaken the world via a media event to the abomination of the war in Vietnam.

    Using the global stage John said, “Yoko and I are quite willing to be the world’s clowns; if by doing it we do some good…And I’m saying peace…The struggle is in the mind. We must bury our own monsters and stop condemning people. We are all Christ and Hitler. We want Christ to win. We’re trying to make Christ’s message contemporary. What would he have done if he had advertisements, records, films, TV and newspapers! Christ made miracles to tell his message. Well, the miracle today is communications, so let’s use it.”

    That battle rages on to make Christ contemporary and I am utilizing the World Wide Web.

    Eileen Fleming, A Feature Correspondent for The Palestine Telegraph and
    Founder of
    Author of “Keep Hope Alive” and “Memoirs of a Nice Irish American ‘Girl’s’ Life in Occupied Territory”
    Producer “30 Minutes with Vanunu” and “13 Minutes with Vanunu”

  22. Dooley

    as I said, EF is clearly nuts

  23. old Labour

    Eileen – I could give you some tips for controlling online verbal diarrhoea.

  24. Aslan

    It is really rude of Eileen to hijack this thread for her own self promotion! If I wanted to know what she beleives I’d go to her blog. Eileen, swim more blog less.

    Old Labour, “online verbal diarrhoea”… very funny, nice one.

  25. Keith – I have been trying to reach you since Tuesday last week – I left a message with the Gloucester reporter and sent you 3 emails but you have not responded – seems you have the chutzpah to misquote me behind my back but you dont have the guts to talk to me in person – my email is

    David Silver

    • seismicshock

      I’m happy to host an exchange of views on this blog about Christianity and Israel between Keith and David if both parties are willing.

  26. intercity speedo

    Keith Hebden wrote in his blog “Messianic/Christian Zionism is a theology based on fear and violence.” He makes a bold statment however we read here that Christian Zionist is as diverse as the Church herself!!!

  27. 4854derrida


    I’ve just uploaded two rare interviews with the Catholic activist Dorothy Day. One was made for the Christophers [1971]–i.e., Christopher Closeup– and the other for WCVB-TV Boston [1974].

    Day had begun her service to the poor in New York City during the Depression with Peter Maurin, and it continued until her death in 1980. Their dedication to administering to the homeless, elderly, and disenfranchised continues with Catholic Worker homes in many parts of the world.

    Please post or announce the availability of these videos for those who may be interested in hearing this remarkable lay minister.

    They may be located here:

    Thank you

    Dean Taylor

  28. THANK YOU 4854derrida/Dean

    I tried to comment my GRATITUDE for the DD You tubes you downloaded which are all GREAT, GOOD and ALL NEW to me;
    But no luck @ your site, so I leave my THANKS here with hope you will see it and we can connect!

    little sister in JC,

    In Solidarity “we have it in our power to begin the world again.”-Tom Paine

    Eileen Fleming,
    Founder of
    A Feature Correspondent for
    Author of “Keep Hope Alive” and “Memoirs of a Nice Irish American ‘Girl’s’ Life in Occupied Territory”
    Producer “30 Minutes with Vanunu” and “13 Minutes with Vanunu”

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