A fair comment

I like this comment from LbNaz at Roger Pease’s blog:

So in his work, he has to be polite to people like Hezbollah. To demonise him for this, as if he were a Moslem-about-to-be-suicide-bomber… that’s really nasty. It’s hate. It’s harassment.

Mr. Pearse, either you’re obstinately committed to being disingenuous in your remarks, or you suffer from a reading comprehension disability that calls into question your effectiveness as a blogger. Joseph Weissman reported some of the contents of a paper Mc Roy delivered in Iran which inter alia contained the gem that ” just as Jesus inspired Christians like William Wilberforce to fight against slavery, so too the Mahdi inspired Hezbollah to commit suicide bombings in their fight against Israelis”.

Weissman didn’t even remotely “demonize” McRoy, nor did he even remotely suggest that McRoy was like a “Moslem-about-to-be-suicide-bomber”, rather he merely reported McRoy’s credulous contention that a fair analogy can be drawn between Jesus inspiring Christians to fight against slavery and the Mahdi inspiring Hizb’allah to perpetrate suicide/homicide bombings against Israeli civilians, combatant and non-combatant soldiers alike. Beyond the mere reporting of some of the content of Mc Roy’s paper delivered in Iran, Weissman provided no passing judgment, because for people unlike yourself and McRoy, a favorable comparison of indiscriminate homicide/suicide bombings to a non-violent campaign against slavery is blatantly a morally demented analogy.

That you Mr. Pearse, find such an analogy not only worthy of apologetics, such as the profoundly lame and indefensible pretext that Mc Roy apparently had no other choice but to offer such an analogy in order to “keep on reasonable terms with the loonies out there, because otherwise he can’t work”, (did the Iranians hold a gun to his head and demand him to compose and stand behind such a demented analogy, or else?), but also referring to the mere reporting of Mc Roy’s analogy as “demonization”, “close to hate”, “harassment” and “censorship” of Mc Roy, speaks miles about your disingenuous and unfounded attacks against Weissman and your utterly demented moral compass.

As to your inevitable upcoming response to my comment, I might as well inform you that I have no intention of ever visiting your blog again after I post this comment, so say what you will. As far as I’m concerned responding to your drivel once is in itself more than enough of a waste of my time.

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13 responses to “A fair comment

  1. Well, I sincerely hope that I never have anyone support *me* by means of anonymous abuse! 🙂

    But I have taken up no position. I’m merely looking at all sides. And … let’s not misrepresent each other. Free speech is important to us all.

  2. Heh heh.

    Of course calling the cops is for wimps. What is the Americans say? “Your ass is mine, boy!” (Not sure I know why they suppose every American has an ass, nor where they keep it. Must be that cowboy legacy…)

    By the way, I do want to say that I sympathise about getting the police called out. That is horrifying.

  3. modernityblog

    Roger,

    Remember the stories of the old Soviet Union, how citizens used to dread the knock at the door in the middle of the night, where they were “interviewed” by police about their **views**.

    Can you see the precedence?

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  6. Modernity, of course I can. It’s precisely the same thing. Nor is the threat, in modern Britain, an illusory one. We really must defend free speech. But … how far do we take that? Cyber-bullying of kids is OK, because it’s “free speech”? We don’t believe that, either of us. Is there no circumstance in which the police should become involved? Never? Again, I don’t think we believe that.

    So all we’re really saying is that you think what SS did was OK, while I am prepared to consider the idea that it did cross a line somewhere. My guess would be that it perhaps did so when it started to look like stalking someone who is not a public figure?

    I don’t know where the line is, tho, not having thought about it much because I err on the side of freedom. But I can see that there is one, somewhere, when people with no recourse are getting hurt. We need to recognise this.

    What I would rather not see is that line decided by the police, under pretext of “protecting” us. Don’t you sense the politicians, salivating, in their lust to control? The stuff being done under pretext of copyright violation — surely a civil wrong anyway, not a criminal one? — is putting in place all sorts of mechanisms to control who does what online.

    Don’t make the mistake of supposing I am pro- police control of the web. I dread the day. Because I am fairly certain that I will get that knock on the door! But just because I fear everyone rushing over to one side of the ship, meaning we all die, does not mean that there isn’t an opposite danger that we all stand on the other, meaning we all die that way, for fear of it. Balance is the thing.

    And … if we look at it again, let’s suppose that Steven Sizer really was an evil man. Suppose that he did need to be exposed, that what he is doing is dangerous and wrong (in our opinion; remember I’m not really that involved either way in the issue). How do we combat that evil, without doing wrong ourselves? How *could* Seismic write about an evil man, without laying himself open to a charge of harassment? If there is no way, does that not mean that the charge of harassment is meaningless? That once you become involved in political action, you have to be prepared to accept this sort of treatment?

    Dunno. Free speech at all costs; but remembering also that we’re dealing with real people with feelings, and that even the likes of Peter Mandelson have/had a mother who loved them.

  7. modernityblog

    I agree with much of what you write Roger.

    But I don’t think Rev. Sizer is an evil man, probably he just allowed his emotions to cloud his judgement.

    He is clearly an intelligent individual, but if he were threatened by the police, and there was no criminal matter concerned, then I would support him.

    That is why the law in Britain (and in many other countries) is structured as it is, to differentiate between civil matters and criminal matters.

    The Police are involved in the latter.

    As I pointed out elsewhere, in America, President Obama has been called every name under the sun, and compared to Adolf Hitler.

    Obama has been vilified for his moderate health-care policy. Radio stations pump out snide comments on a daily basis about it, there are even web sites which argue that Obama is the Antichrist.

    Yet no one in America has been arrested.

    and I can see why, that is how it should be, even though I think President Obama has been unjustifiably attacked, and that the ranting against him is extreme.

    It is legitimate criticism in America and not criminal.

    That is how it should be in Britain.

    I hope you see the parallel?

  8. David

    Roger

    Isn’t the point that both Sizer and McRoy travel the world, arguing for their theopolitical point. In doing so, they’ve said a number of things which, I think fairly, can be described as ‘troubling’. They have also appeared at conferences in which some pretty horrific politicians have been involved.

    The key thing is that they do this in public. They invite a public response – either agreement or disagreement.

    This is not some private spat between a spiteful parishioner and his vicar in a sleepy Gloucestershire village. This is a public response to sermons, talks and interviews that these guys have voluntarily published.

    That’s why I find your response odd.

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