With God On Our Side: Correspondence With Porter Speakman Jr

The film With God On Our Side is currently being screened across the USA and the UK, criticising the worldview of evangelical Christian Zionism.

Film-maker Porter Speakman Jr is touring with Stephen Sizer, later to be joined by Ben White. Later this month, Speakman and Sizer will show their film in the Scottish and Northern Irish parliaments Holyrood and Stormont.

I have my own criticisms of the Christian anti-Zionist participants in the film, which you can read here.

Via the blogosphere, I had the opportunity to present my concerns to Porter Speakman on his blog.

I initially commented:

Dear Mr Speakman Jr,

It is very interesting how you are providing people with an opportunity to approach the Middle East conflict from a new angle, and as I understand it, your concern is that Christians who hold a very Israel-centric theology may be aggressive or passive-aggressive towards Palestinians. I think it is fair enough to hold this concern and to present it to the public for wider viewing.

However, I think that touring around with Rev Sizer may also lead people to ask critical questions of your project. This is not a bad thing as we should all be progressing towards more well-rounded opinions, particularly on this most tricky question of Palestine-Israel.

When you have a chance, perhaps you could ask Stephen Sizer why he has:

  • shared a platform with Holocaust denier Fred Tobin in Indonesia,
  • met with Hezbollah clerics in southern Lebanon,
  • been on a trip to Iran sponsored by Zahra Mostafavi – whose NEDA Institute contributes to approvingly forwarded emails from Holocaust deniers regarding Jews,
  • given an interview to Far Right radio host Mark Dankof (whose colleague is Klu-Klux-Klan-fan Hesham Tillawi),
  • defended Helen Thomas (who opines that Jews in Israel should “go back” to Poland),
  • supported pickets of Jewish synagogues in Michigan,
  • and hosted articles by Far Right writer Israel Shamir on his website
  • – all whilst publicly stressing his opposition to anti-Semitism.

Many thanks

Joseph W

To which Speakman responded:

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I think it’s best you ask Stephen these questions yourself. I spoke with Stephen this morning and he mentioned that he has offered to meet with you in person in the past to address some of your concerns and I think that is always the best way to understand where someone is coming from. I encourage you to contact him directly.

As far as touring with him. It has been a pleasure to get to know him and I think Stephen has some very well rounded opinions on the Israeli / Palestinian conflict and the approach of many Western Christians to this issue.

All the best –

Porter

My further response, which may still be stuck in the moderation queue:

Hi Porter,

Thankyou very much for your speedy and amicable reply.

I’m not sure whether meeting Rev Sizer would necessarily change any of the above facts. Imagine if you took your concerns about John Hagee to those Christians who decided to work with him. We would hope they would deal in a proactive way by actively challenging him on these points.

Such is my hope for Christians who decide to work alongside Rev Sizer despite his having forwarded emailsfrom, given interviews to, approvingly cited and spoken alongside assorted Holocaust deniers and Far Right activists.

I think all Christians really need to take a step back and consider where they are getting their theology from, and if our theology leads them to make questionable political decisions, we should probably reconsider it.

Kind regards

Joseph

I invite Porter to continue the dialogue either here on Seismic Shock or on his own blog – if and when he has the time.

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7 responses to “With God On Our Side: Correspondence With Porter Speakman Jr

  1. Mother and Virgin … Pray for us

    Canticles 4:7 > “There is not a spot in thee.”
    Wisdom 7:26 > “She is the … unspotted mirror of God’s majesty.”
    Psalm 45:5 > “The most High hath sanctified His own tabernacle.”

    What saves your soul – Heresy or Catholic Dogma ?

    1. Can the Ex-Cathedra Dogma from 20 Catholic Councils be rejected and ignored by the meeting known as the “Vatican-2 council” ? There are over 200 heresies against Dogma in the V-2 documents.

    No it can’t …
    Section 12 of Immaculata-one.com

    2. Can you get your own soul to Heaven if you don’t know and believe the Ex-Cathedra Dogma of the Catholic Church ?

    No you can’t …
    Sections 5.1 and 9 of Immaculata-one.com

    3. Have you ever seen the Catholic Ex-Cathedra Dogma on automatic excommunication for heresy, ignorance of the Dogma, or for physical participation in a heretical society?

    No you haven’t …
    Section 13.2 of Immaculata-one.com

    4. Have you ever seen the De Fide Catholic Dogma that you must believe to get to Heaven ?

    No you haven’t …
    Section 3 of Immaculata-one.com

    5. Does the Vatican-2 heretic cult, founded in 1965 at the Vatican, have the Office of the Papacy ?

    No only the Catholic Church has the Papacy …
    Section 13.4 of Immaculata-one.com

    6. Does the Catholic writing of Saint Matthew 16:18, the “Gates of Hell” scripture, mean that the Papacy may not fall vacant because of heresy ?

    No … the Church defined the “Gates of Hell” as … heresy not prevailing against the Dogma …
    Section 13.3 of Immaculata-one.com

    7. Can ignorance of the Catholic Dogma get other (non-vatican-2) heretics into Heaven ?

    No it can’t …
    Sections 5, 5.1, 5.2, 8, 9 of Immaculata-one.com

    8. Is there Ex-Cathedra Dogma on water baptism which rules out “baptism of desire” and “baptism of blood” ?

    Yes there is …
    Section 7.2 of Immaculata-one.com

    9. Is there Catholic Dogma on how to re-enter the Catholic Church after automatic excommunication for heresy or for physical participation in a heretical society such as the vatican-2 or sspx cults?

    Yes there is …
    Section 19.1 of Immaculata-one.com

    10. Can you get to Heaven as a participant in a heretical society which rejects even a single Catholic Dogma … “worshiping” – for example – the “vatican-2 god” or the “sspx god” in their meeting halls ?

    No you can’t …
    Sections 13.2, 88, 90, 99, and 105 of Immaculata-one.com

    11. Was Jesus Christ a jew ? (The judaism apostasy out of the Israelite covenant started about 200 B.C.)

    No He wasn’t …
    Section 39.1 of Immaculata-one.com

    12. Was the “Vatican-2 council” of apostasy set up well before 1962 ?

    Yes it was …
    Sections 20, 20.1, and 20.2 of Immaculata-one.com

    13. Is there salvation outside of the Catholic Church and … is one in the Catholic Church if he rejects even a single Dogma of the Church ?

    No and no …
    Sections 1, 2, 5, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 7, 7.2, 8, and 9 of Immaculata-one.com

    14. Are a great many people saved from Hell ?
    Saint Augustine, Doctor of the Church: “It is certain that few are saved.”

    No … very few are saved …
    Section 22 of Immaculata-one.com

  2. Susan

    I would not include someone with Sizer’s history in my promotional tour if I had made a movie. I think that “ask Stephen” is way too easy.

    I had an e-mail exchange with Stephen Sizer. He said that “Jews were a race, not a nation.” I replied that Jews are not a race. There are Ethiopian Jews and Jews from Mumbai, India. He has not replied back to me.

  3. Dooley

    Seismic
    The link to “approvingly cited” doesn’t seem to work.

    No response from Speakman, no great surprise, he is incriminating himself even more by turning a blind eye to Sizer’s unrepentant antisemitism.

  4. Yoni

    according to Sizer’s web site he is leading two groups to the holyland in 2011 so they can learn about the occupation and his own political agenda.

    Sizer has been to Indonesia and Iran to fratenise with his questionable buddies there. I am guessing he must have two passports, as its not possible to visit Israel with stamps with these nations.

    Noam Chomsky was banned from Israel for being a bit too chummy with terrorists, and wanting say nasty things about Israel, so he got turned away at the airport.

    Wonder if Ben Gurion airport have some new policies in place and if anyone from the security forces reads Seismic shock think Sizer’s connection are dubious enough also have him banned?

  5. Pingback: “With God on our Side” Screens in Manchester « Seismic Shock

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